Swabia, Oda of (b. ABT. 640, d. ?)

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This link was provided by the "Descendants of Charlemagne" project on INTERNET. Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone on this line do not attempt to identify DODA's mother.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots" (180:5) & (190:9).
Per Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (236:48), "a Gallo- Roman Senator". Possibly the brother of Agibulfer, Bishop of Metz and Firmnius, Bishop of Uzes.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots" (180:5) calls her BLITHILDIS and states that her ancestry is unproven.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (171:50), (236:48), identifies her as the dau. of CLODERIC, KING OF COLOGNE (RIN 2505).

Luke Stevens comments:
The earliest sources, in trying to show how the ancestry of CHARLEMAGNE connected to the Merovingian dynasty which his father displaced, say that she was a daughter of one or another of the Merovingian kings of France, such as CHLOTHAR I (RIN 2217), or his son
CHARIBERT I. This may well be correct, but there is reason to be suspicious. The version that Stuart shows seems to be a modern theory that has not won general acceptance.

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Weis skips this generation which is provided by comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone, who refers to this Farreolus as "a senator in the Narbonne region".

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Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone provide her name..

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Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone:
. . . "Settipani (1989 and 1991, pp. 198-9) says that Ferreolus's wife Papianilla was probably a niece of the emperor Avitus. Harries (1994, p. 34, n. 30) says that she was a generation older, perhaps a sister or cousin of Avitus, while Mommaerts and Kelley (1992, pp. 112- 3) propose that she might be a generation younger.
. . . Ferreolus's wife was a partner who shared his troubles, according to Sidonius."

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (180:3) says he was the Praetorian Prefect of Gaul, 451, at Rome 469, 475; friend & relative of Sidonius Apollinaris.
Per Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (236:50), he was Consul in 453.
Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone:
. . . "Details on Tonantius Ferreolus's offices come from Martindale (1980). Additional information is supplied by Stevens (1933) and Harries (1994).
. . . Tonantius Ferreolus; Praefectus Praetorio Galliarum, 451-452/3, during which time Attila the Hun was defeated at the Battle of the Catalaunian Plains (Chalons); his diplomacy ended the siege of Arles by the Visigothic king Thorismodus; he served in Rome in 469 as a delegate to the trial of Arvandus; a Gallo-Roman senator with two known estates, Prusianum (on the Gardon, near Nimes) and Trevidos (perhaps near Rodez)"

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Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." 180:1. Says he was a Gallo - Roman Consul in 381.
Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone:
. . . 'Settipani (1989) is the principal authority for this chart [i.e. the descent of CHARLEMAGNE from AFRANIUS]. A number of years ago Kelley (1947) investigated the connection with Syagrius in detail, utilizing a ninth-century pedigree of Charlemagne (but rejecting its clearly incorrect claim that St. Arnulf, Bishop of Metz, was the son of Arnoald,
Bishop of Metz) and also drawing on various saints' lives. (Kelley now concurs with Settipani's revised version of this pedigree.) Jarnut (1986, pp. 14-22) has also explored this connection.
. . . Flavius Afranius Syagrius of Lyons; a Gallo-Roman senator, i.e., of paternal Roman descent; Proconsul Africae, 379; Praefectus Urbis Romae, 381; selected by the emperor Gratian as Consul for 382 (serving with Antonius); Praefectus Praetorio Italiae, 382; a poet. He was buried beneath an imposing monument at the city gate of Lyons, "not quite a full
bowshot" from the church, and a statue of him was erected in the city.
. . . Flavius was the given name, Afranius was the family name, and Syagrius was a cognomen meaning "wild boar" (Moriarty, 1956). See, however, Bagnall, et al. (1987, pp. 36, ff.), on the use of the name Flavius as a courtesy title. There were two different consuls named Syagrius in two successive years, 381 and 382. The consul of 381 was a friend and
correspondent of Symmachus, the noted orator and vigorous defender of the pagan religion. The consul of 382 was probably the one who was the maternal grandfather of Tonantius Ferreolus; he may also have been the Syagrius who was a pupil and friend of the poet Ausonius. Ausonius was the head of a famous school at Bordeaux, was selected by emperor
Valentinian as tutor for his son (the future emperor) Gratian, and was prefect of the Gauls in 378 and consul in 379 under Gratian; a number of his relatives and friends held various high imperial offices (Van Dam, 1985, p. 304). Each of these two Syagrii held a number of offices
besides consul, and determining which office goes with which Syagrius is somewhat difficult. A relatively plausible scenario is given in Jones, et al. (1971), following Martindale (1967). Demandt (1971) proposes a somewhat different assignment of offices to the Syagrii, but later
reviews (e. g., Bagnall, et al., 1987, p. 649, and Errington, 1992, note 109) point out that Demandt probably misinterpreted a comment of Mitteis, an earlier researcher.
. . . The office of consul had great prestige and was eagerly sought by Roman citizens. In the second half of the fourth century it was usually attained as the culmination of a distinguished career (Bagnall, et al., 1987, p. 3); at this time it was largely an honorary office with minimal
political responsibilities."

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Per Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (330:44), Count and Bishop of Treves, son of GUERIN & KUNZA, and father of COUNT GUI.
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:10), (190:11), calls him St. Lievin, Bishop of Treves.
Maurice Chaume, in Table 4 of v.4 of "Les origines du duche de Bourgogne" (Dijon, 1925-31), has him tentatively as the father-in-law of GARNIER. His dau. (GARNIER's wife) is not named.

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (330:43), says he occ 706-722 and has him as son of LIUTWIN and father of LAMBERT. Maurice Chaume, in Table 4 of v.4 of "Les origines du duche de Bourgogne" (Dijon, 1925-31), calls him Gui, 782, 796, "unus de stirpe Wernarhii", and has him as son of LEUTWINUS [same as Stuart's LUITWIN], and brother of ROTROU and of the unnamed tentative wife of GARNIER. Chaume, however, does not show LAMBERT, COUNT OF HORNBACH, as his son. [He has Gui's nephew, NANTIER I (RIN 6655*) as LAMBERT'S father.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (50:9), calls him Count Warinus and says he was of uncertain parentage. (191:12) says he was the ancestor of the Margraves of Spoleto. Weis does not identify these two as the same person. (Neither does he say anything which prevent them from being the same.)
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (53:45), (330:45) & (358:45) gives alternate names of Warinus, Warin and identifies him as the son of N.N. (perhaps BODILION) & SIGRADA.

Chaume's Table 2 has count Guerin I, d. 677 and his wife GUNSA (sister of Basin, bishop of Treves) as the parents of SAINT LIEVEN, BISHOP OF TROYES.

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Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:9) identifies her as wife of COUNT WARINUS, sister of Bazin, Bishop of Treves, and mother of LEUTWINUS, BISHOP OF TREVES. No ancestry is given.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (53:45) & (330:45), has her as the dau. of ST. CLODULE, BISHOP OF METZ (RIN 4030). However, Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" specifically states that the latter had only one child, a son Arnulf, so the link is probably false.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (236:46).

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens", which provides his maternal ancestry.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (236:47), which identifies his parents as ANSBERTUS (RIN 3668) and BLITHILDIS (RIN 3669). Stuart seems to have confused that Ansbertus with another Anselbert.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
The name of the mother and grandmother of ERCHINOALD are given in _Vita Rictrudis_ (10th century), as GERBERTA daughter of ST. GERTRUDE. The _Chronologorum Marchianensis_ (12th century) adds that the father of GERTRUDE was DUKE THEOBALD and her husband was RIKOMER.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (236:46) wrongly gives her as the wife of the son of ERCHINOALD, rather than the mother of the latter.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
Per Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (236:46), he was a Duke of the Old Royal Burgundian house.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
The name of the mother and grandmother of Erchinoald are given in _Vita Rictrudis_ (10th century), as Gerberta daughter of St. Gertrude. The _Chronologorum Marchianensis_ (12th century) adds that the father of Gertrude was Duke Theobald and her husband was Rikomer.

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S. de Vajay's "A propos de l'ascendance carolingienne", _Armas e trofeus_, 1966.

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S. de Vajay's "A propos de l'ascendance carolingienne", _Armas e trofeus_, 1966.

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Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:17), (140:15), (141B:15), (181:5), calls him Count of Alsace & Tours.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (300:40) calls him "le Mefiant", Count of Tours.
Also referred to as Count of Orleans.

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ES II:10.
David Kelley, "Holy Blood, Holy Grail: Two Reviews", _The Genealogist_ 3 (1982), p.254 says:
"...In fact, I have found a considerable amount of data suggesting that Chrotlind, the mother of the Count Theuderic of 720, was indeed the daughter of THEUDERIC III [RIN 8768*] (by his wife Saint Amalaberga) and was the wife of LANTPERT and mother of ROTPERT, ancestor of the Robertins. This material involves considerations of onomastics, property inheritance, and the sometimes dubious texts of the lives of the Frankish saints, and is both too involved and too extensive to present here...."

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" states that late sources identify his father as ANSGISE (RIN 2491), but rejects the link as probably a mistake.
Also see the note for his wife, BERTRADA, questioning his identity.

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Hlawitschka's "Die Vorfahren Karls des Grossen", in _Karl der Grosse_ (1965).
"Todd A. Farmerie" posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@@@@rootsweb.com on 6 Mar 1999
Subject: Re: Ancestors of Charlemagne
. "This [that Bertrada was a dau. of Theuderic III, King of the Franks (RIN 8768*)] was speculated by Chaume, but the predominating opinion these days is that Bertrada (not Bertha) mother of Charibert, was daughter of a Count Hugobert. He was perhaps of Merovingian descent, but no ancestry is currently known for him. (Oh, and by the way, I don't think there is any support for calling her husband Martin.)"

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Hlawitschka's "Die Vorfahren Karls des Grossen", in _Karl der Grosse_ (1965).

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Hlawitschka's "Die Vorfahren Karls des Grossen", in _Karl der Grosse_ (1965).
Weis' "Ancestral Roots" (line 240) has a Merovingian descent from King Dagobert II to most of Europe's royal houses, reading for the first two generations as follows:
LINE 240:
10. DAGOBERT II, King of Austrasia 678-680. (Generations 1-10
(questionable and omitted): Larousse Hist. de France I 49)
11. ADELA, accepted by Eckhardt as dau. of Dagobert II, but
believed by Hlawitscha to be dau. of Hugobert and Irma, mother of Aubri I, Count of Blois. (Identification of Adela's parents depends on a forged charter.)

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (182:4), calls him Gerold, count in the Anglachau. In (190:13), he calls him "Count Gerard of Swabia". Also mentioned (50:13).

Note: Stevens (http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0003/G0000006.html#I4666) believes that Godfrid was the father of Nabi, rather than his grandfather.

Two sources for Godfrid father of Huoching father of Nabi:

1 United Ancestries Linked Pedigrees CD100, (Automated Archives).

2 Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, (Seventh Edition, Genealogical Publishing Co.)

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (155:18).
According to Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (300:39), he was Count of Auxerre and Margrave of Transjuranian Burgundy, Lay Abbot of St. Motitz

In the book by M. Bugge "Vaare forfedre" it's stated explicitedly that Conrad was not son of Conrad I of Swabia, but his brother Rudolf. ES III/4:736 following Tellenbach and others clearly indicates that Conrad II was the son of Conrad I and Aelis dau. of Hugo of Tours.
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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (155:18).
According to Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (300:39), he was Count of Auxerre and Margrave of Transjuranian Burgundy, Lay Abbot of St. Motitz

In the book by M. Bugge "Vaare forfedre" it's stated explicitedly that Conrad was not son of Conrad I of Swabia, but his brother Rudolf. ES III/4:736 following Tellenbach and others clearly indicates that Conrad II was the son of Conrad I and Aelis dau. of Hugo of Tours.

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Stuart's "Royalty for Commoner's" (300:43) states that she was "probably" the daughter of BERTHOLD".

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (148:15), identifies her as wife of EUDES and mother of ERMENTRUDE, but does not identify her parents.
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens", gives her ancestry.

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See notes on her granddaughter, ADELAIDE, who was the child of her son, ADELARD, COUNT OF THE PALACE.
On 15 Dec 1997, Todd Farmerie posted the ancestry of TERESA ALFONSO (RIN 2401) based on the latest research. Farmerie does not identify ULRICH's wife.

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Per Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners (206:40), he was Count of Amiens and of Meaux in the Lyonaise.
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" shows this relation conjecturally.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" shows this relation conjecturally.

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Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:11), (190:11), says she was the sister of Wido, identified without proof by the Abbe Chaume as son of ST. LIEVIN. Also mentioned (191:11).
Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone:
. . . "Rotrude's possible descent from Syagrius, great- grandson of Flavius Afranius Syagrius, is given by Settipani (1989), but see also Settipani's more recent comments (1990, pp. 20-3)."

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (339:39): Count in the Threkwitigau; founder of Alexanderstift; occ in charters, 834-872.
Heinrich Banniza von Bazan, _Deutsche Geschichte in Ahnentafeln_, vol. 1
(Berlin: Metzner, 1940), p. 27, Tafel 1, courtesy of John Carmi Parsons, calls him Waltpraht, count in the Saxon Lehrgau c.872.

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (339:40).
Heinrich Banniza von Bazan, _Deutsche Geschichte in Ahnentafeln_, vol. 1
(Berlin: Metzner, 1940), p. 27, Tafel 1, courtesy of John Carmi Parsons, calls him Wigbert, d. 827.

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (338:39): Echbert "the Loyal," a Saxon nobleman conquered by Charlemagne, 783; a count in the Ittergau, living 834.
Noted genealogist David Kelly is convinced that this Count Egbert is none other than KING EGBERT (RIN 1340) of the Saxon line in England. He has not been able to find general agreement among his peers.

Matman posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL: on 15 April 1997:
. . . "I can only refer back to the same article [E. Hlawitschka, in Rheinische Vierteljarhrblatter, 1974, p141ff]: there was a family in Saxony at this time who historians call the Egbertiner or Cobbonen after their most distinguished members. The details about Ida and Egbert's family come from two sources: her Life (written 980/3) and the Translatio S.Pusinnae (c.860/77). St.Ida was the founder of Herford, a
convent in Saxony. Her Life calls Egbert duke of all saxony between the Rhine and the weser appointed by Charlemagne. A count Egbert appears in the Royal frankish annals in 809 and 811 concerned with the boundary between Saxony and the Denmark. Their children included Warin abbot of Corvey 826-56, and Count Cobbo the Elder (d. fl 845), and Addila abbess of Herford. This family continued to be important in Saxony in the 10th century.
. . . Ida is said to be the daughter of a Frankish count (though Hlawitschka tries to make her a daughter of Carloman I d.771, wrongly I think). As Egbert of Wessex became king in 802 (?), it would seem unlikely that he could have two different careers in two different countries, at the same time. Unless the ASC date 802 is wrong."

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (338:39) identifies her father as Dietrich the Riparian.
Noted genealogist David Kelley suggests that Alfred the Great's grandmother Raedburh, "sister of the King of the Franks" and wife of Egbert of Wessex (who spent some time in exile at the court of Charlemagne), is perhaps the same as St. Ida, daughter of Count Theuderic and wife of a "Saxon duke" Egbert.

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ES III:731.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (326:39).
On 15 Dec 1997, Todd Farmerie posted the ancestry of TERESA ALFONSO (RIN 2401) based on the latest research. This generation is confirmed in that posting. Farmerie says he fl. 771-791.
It has been proposed by some that he was the same person as Makir, the Judiarch of Narbonne. If true, he has a Jewish pedigree going back approx 50 generations to King David of Israel. While a case can be made, it has been rendered a very weak one by Nat Taylor's research.

Nat Taylor's excellent article "Saint William, King David, and Makhir" in the July/October 1997 issue of _The American Genealogist_ makes it appear quite unlikely that Theuderic, father of St. William of Gellone, is identical to Makhir.

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (217:39): King of Haithabu, King of Rustringen, 819-827; King of Jutland.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (146:15), (191:16), (250:15).
In his book, "Early Medieval Italy", Chris Wickham, refers to him as an Italo-Frankish magnate who held lands stretching from Belgium to Veneto (the province of Italy in which the city of Friole is located). When he divided these lands between his heirs in 864, he explicitly instructed them to redivide them if civil wars between the adherents of the Emporer, LOUIS THE PIOUS (RIN 1212) and his son, the future Emporer, LOTHAR I (RIN 1226), caused the loss of any of them. (These two Emporers were Everard's father-in-law and brother-in-law.) LOTHAR's son and heir as king of Italy, LOUIS II (RIN 2139) continued to rely upon Everard and the other great magnates of his father's reign in his administration of the kingdom of Italy. Everard owned what was, in his time, considered to be a very extensive library of over 50 books and was considered exceptional that he was one of the few men of his day who was literate enough to be able to read Virgil for pleasure.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (191:15), (192:15).
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (332:40), citing Moriarity, 18, identifies him and ENGELTRON as parents of AMADEUS.

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Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (191:12), he was the brother of GARNIER, ancestor of the Margraves of Spoleto.

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On 15 Dec 1997, Todd Farmerie posted the ancestry of TERESA ALFONSO(RIN 2401) based on the latest research. This generation is confirmed in that posting. Farmerie says he fl. 760-783. He identifies him as the possible father of WITIBURGA. He does not identify Lambert's parents.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (265:44) & (330:42), Turton, & Moriarity all give a COUNT GUI (occ 706-722) as his father. Stuart says he was liv. 760-783.

Maurice Chaume, in Table 4 of v.4 of "Les origines du duche de Bourgogne" (Dijon, 1925-31), refers to him as "count, ca 750", but tentatively gives his father as Nantier I (RIN 6655*).

Stewart Baldwin (in a posting to soc.genealogy.medieval on 21 Jul 1997) suggests that The reason that Chaume conjectured Lambert I as a son of Nantier I is presumably the fact that Lambert's son Gui was described as "unus de stirpe Wernarhii"

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" shows this relation conjecturally.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (173:40) calls him Childebrand II, Duke of Lombardy & Lord of Perracy, d. 832.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (173:41) refers to him as Lord of Perracy, Montisan, and Hesburg" and "the Historian".
Count of Autun and Burgundy.
Stewart Baldwin posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Nov 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: SAVOY
"Nivelon (or Nibelung) is generally regarded (with good rason) as the ancestor of a large family, but the evidence is mainly onomastic, and solid proof of his connections to his immediate descendants is lacking. See Settipani, "La Prehistoire des Capetiens", (1993), pp. 341ff.

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Per Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (173:42), he was Lord of Perracy and of Bougy, Count of Autun. Stuart calls hin the son of PEPIN OF HERISTOL and his concubine, AUPAIS. More recent scholarship, however, thinks it much more likely that Childebrand was CHARLES MARTEL's half brother maternally rather than paternally - i.e. ALPAIDA was his mother by an unknown father, not PEPIN.
Also mentioned Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (326:37).

ntaylor@@@@fas.harvard.edu (Nathaniel Taylor) posted to
GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@@@@rootsweb.com on 13 Mar 1998
Subject: Re: Gallo-Roman ancestors of Charlemagne:
. . . "... Settipani does support the fraternity of Childebrand (founder of the Nibelungs) and Charles Martel in "Prehistoire des Capetiens", 159-61. The two references linking Childebrand to Charles Martel and to Pippin the Short are found in the continuation of Fredegar's chronicle, and seem
unequivocal: he is called Charles' 'germanus' and Pippin's 'avunculus'. 'Avunculus' has been made much of (bu Levillain & others, cited by Settipani), as suggesting that Childebrand could not have been an agnatic uncle of Pippin (i.e. son of Pippin II along with Charles Martel); however,
Settipani argues (and I have been this argued recently in other cases by other scholars) that in this period 'avunculus' was not always just used for 'brother of mother' or 'uterine brother of father' but could also mean 'agnatic half-brother of father' or even 'full brother of father'. Settipani cites evillain's article and discusses his objection to their *agnatic* fraternity, but if 'avunculus' can have been used more loosely (more loosely than 'germanus') then the identity seems plausible."

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:16). Some consider her to be the daughter of St, William, Count of Toulouse (d.812).
The "Dictionary of Royal Lineage" lists 5 children for William, but Wiadruth is not among them.

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Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:14), which calls him Turincbertus, seen 767-770.
ES II:10.