Belgium, Rothais of (b. , d. ?)

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (50:14) says she was "apparently a dau. of DUKE BERNARD, yr. bro. of PEPIN THE SHORT." She was not PEPIN's wife, making their son, BERNARD, KING OF ITALY illigitimate. Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" gives her name as Chrothais, and does not accept this parentage.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots" (140:14) gives him as ERMENGARDE's father, but is silent as to his his ancestry. A long-forgotten source has him as the son of Gunderland XII, C of Hasbaigne (RIN 2448).

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Turton's "Plantagenet Ancestry" says her mother was Swanhild, but Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens", the more reliable source, gives her mother as Rotrude.

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Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:11), (190:11), (191:11).
In 732, he defeated the Saracens at the Battle of Tours, ensuring that Europe would develope as a Christian, rather than an Islamic, continent. This was one of the most important battles faught in all the history of mankind.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (190:10). Called Pepin of Herisatal. Mayor of the Palace in Austrasia.
The first of the great Carolingian Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia. Ruler of the Franks in 687, he managed, through the Battle of Tertry in 687, to unite Neustria and Austrasia under his own "puppet" Merovingian king. But the power struggles in northern Gaul seriously weakened the power of the merovingians and their mayors. The Aquitanians had their own Duke; the "Patricius" of Provence was for all practical purposes an independent ruler.; the aristocrats of Burgundy paid little attention to the Franks in the north.34
Pepin established himself as mayor of the palace in Austrasia after the death of Dagobert II in 679 and defended its autonomy against Theodoric III of Neustria and Ebroon, Theodoric's mayor of the palace. Defeated by Ebroon in 680 at Lucofao (near Laon), Pepin gained his revenge on the Neustrians in 687 at Tertry (near Pironne) and became sole effective ruler of the Franks. He nevertheless retained Theodoric III on the throne and after his death replaced him with three successive Merovingian kings. After several years of warfare Pepin defeated the Frisians on his northeastern border (689) and married his son Grimoald to Theodelind, daughter of the Frisian chief Radbod. He also forced the Alemanni to recognize Frankish authority again and encouraged Christian missionaries in Alemannia and Bavaria.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (190:10).
The "Dictionary of Royal Lineage" calls her Alpaida, the sister of Dodon of Saxony.

Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone:
. . . "Gerberding (1987) provides a detailed analysis of the status of Alpaida and the political significance of her union with Pippin, and Stone refers to her as probably a secondary wife."

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (190:9). Was King Sigebert's Mayor of the
Palace.
Comments posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL by Don Stone:
. . . "Ansegisel is sometimes referred to as Mayor of the Palace, but Settipani and Van Kerrebrouck (1993, p. 151) point out that this is not attested by any contemporaneous source and thus can't be relied on.
. . . Ansegisel; vir inlustris, domesticus; d. betw. 648 and 669, perhaps 662."

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (190:8) calls her Doda of Saxony, or
Clothilde. Settipani's "Les ancestres de Charlemagne" calls her Dode, and tentatively shows her father as ARNOLD. See the notes on her husband ST. ARNULF.

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (53:45) calls her Oda, Clothilde, or
Doda.

When her husband was consecrated as bishop of Metz in 612 she became a nun at Treves.

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The earliest sources state that his father was ARNOLD (RIN 3666), but the consensus among modern genealogists is that this cannot be correct, and that his father was instead BAUDGISE, as stated in several independent sources of later date. In Settipani's "Les ancestres de Charlemagne", it is argued that ARNOLD was actually his father-in-law.
Weis' "Ancestal Roots . . ." (190:8) has him as the son of Duke BAUDGISE II.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (53:45) & (171:46), identify him as the father of ST. CLODOULE.
The Hull University project contributes the following biography :
Feast day, 19 August. This Arnulf (Arnoul) passed his earlier life at the court of Theodebert II, king of Austrasia; through the marriage of his elder son with a daughter of Pepin of Landen (St. Begga), he became an ancestor of the Carolingian dynasty. At the age of thirty, he wanted to retire from public life, but instead in 614 he was chosen Bishop of Metz, though still a layman. He continued to act as adviser to King Chlotar II, whom he had helped to the Frankish throne, and was tutor to his son Dagobert. Arnulf made further attempts to resign his offices, but it was not till 629 that he was able to retire to the Vosges mountains. Here his friend St. Romaric had preceded him and begun the monastic community at Habend that was later called Remiremont. St. Arnulf settled near by, and lived there till his death twelve years later.
-The Avenel Dictionary of the Saints, Donald Attwater (New York; Avenel Books, 1965).

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After her uncle, Gundobad, murdered her parents, Gundobad had Clotilda put in a Geneva convent. As a result, Clotilda developed a passion for the destruction of the royal house of Burgundy. While in the convent, a messenger disguised as a beggar came to her from CLOVIS, king of the Franks, with a marriage proposal. In the words of Christopher Cope in his book, The Lost Kingdom of Burgundy" : "Clotilda accepted joyfully and contrived a romantic and hazardous escape from Geneva. She eluded Gundobad's persuers by abandoning the coach which carried her baggage and jumping on a horse. When the Burgundian troops overtook the coach she was already safely over the border at Bar-sur-Seine riding toward her royal fiance. The sons she gave CLOVIS learnt from their implacable mother that filial duty required them to avenge her parents, invade Burgundy, and crush their cousins." This was accomplished at Autun in 534.
Called "Saint Clotilda", she is credited with converting her husband, CLOVIS, and thus the Franks, to Christianity.
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" notes that "Clotilda" is actually a mispelling of her true name, CHROTECHILD.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
He inherited the kingdom jointly with his two brothers, Gundobad and Godegisel. Gundobad had both his brothers killed so that he could rule by himself.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
Gundioc geatly expanded the kingdom that he had inherited from his father, GUNTHER. He established his court at the small Roman town of Geneva.
Gundioc had thee sons who became his joint heirs. The most ruthless of them, Gundobad, had his brothers, CHILPERIC and Godegisel, killed and went on to expand his authority from Champagne to the Mediterranean and from eastern Switzerland to the Forez Mountains which are well into modern day France. He is said to have decapitated the Emporer Anthemius with his own hands.
Our ancestor is one of the slain brothers, CHILPERIC.

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Burgundy can lay claim to the honor of being the oldest post Roman kingdom of Europe. In the year A.D. 413, three years after the sack of Rome by the Goths, Gunther established the Burgundian Kingdom on the banks of the Rhine with its capital at Worms. The Burgundians were closely related to the Goths, and, like them, probably had southern Norway or Sweden as their homeland and migrated to central Europe by way of the island of Bornholm. They settled first in Poland and then in
southern Germany.
Gunther was the head of the ruling clan known as the Nibelungs. The Burgundians were the most Romanized and civilized of all the barbarian tribes. In 436, Gunther moved his people accross the Rhine and into the Roman province of Gaul. This provoked enough fear in the Emporer that he called upon the assistance of the universally feared Huns who were lead by Attila. The Burgundians were massacred in the ensuing battle and Gunther was among the dead. Recovery from this loss, however, was very swift.

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Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" identifies him as an illegitimate son of CHARLES MARTEL.

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Per Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:12), (190:12), Called "The Short".
Mayor of Palace in Austrasia. He deposed the last of the Merovingian "do nothing" kings in 751 and became himself the first king of the Franks of the second race. Also mentioned (50:14).

Note: Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (55:25), he was founder of Tickford Priory near Newport Pagnell, co. Buckingham, liv. 1130; m. poss. a dau. of William FitzAnsculf, a Domesday tenant with lands in several counties, whose lands Fulk eventually aquired.
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0014/G0000013.html#I4286

Note: Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (55:26), states that RALPH m. N.N., prob. dau. of ROBER DE FERRERS.

Note: Todd Farmerie notes that his nickname was mistaken by some as de Evreux. This is the reason his descendants ar sometime shown as bearing de Evreux as a surname.
http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0035/G0000007.html#I821

Note: Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (126:29), (149:26).
According to the "Dictionary of National Biography" William succeeded his father to the Earldom in 1196. He was a favourite of King JOHN (RIN 785), accompanying him to Runnymeade in 1215 and becoming one of the surities for his faithful observance of the Magna Charta. Because of
JOHN's intransigence, a powerful group of barons offered the English crown to the son of King LOUIS VII (RIN 1530) of France. On JOHN's abandonment of Winchester to LOUIS in 1216, William went over to the winning side. In 1217 , after the royalist victory at Lincoln in 1218, he
switched sides again. Shortly after, he acted as justiciar. In 1218 he set sail for the East, took part in the siege of Damietta in 1219, and died in Italy on his way home in 1221.
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0006/G0000015.html#I923

Note: According to the "Dictionary of National Biography", Randulf took no promimenent part in public affairs during the reign of KING HENRY I (RIN 789).
Upon his accession in 1135, KING STEPHEN (RIN 3890) gave estates to PRINCE HENRY OF SCOTLAND (RIN 1912), which Randulf felt should have been his - specifically Lincoln and Carlisle. Randulf bided his time, making a mostly unsuccessful attempt to add to his holdings on the
Welsh frontier. In 1140 Randulf attempted to intercept PRINCE HENRY during his return to Scotland. He then captured the keep of Lincoln castle by way of intrigue. KING STEPHEN laid a siege, but Randulf slipped out and gathered forces, including some Welsh allies, and his
father-in-law - ROBERT, EARL OF GLOUCESTER (RIN 797). He then went to STEPHEN's rival for the throne, THE EMPRESS MATILDA (RIN 788), and offered allegiance to her in return for her help. With his father-in-law and the forces they had gathered, Randulf reached Lincoln on 2 Feb 1141, and, in the battle beneath its walls, took a foremost part, charging THE KING in person. Entering the city in triumph, on the defeat of the enemy, he allowed his Welsh troops to sack it.
In 1141, Randulf joined MATILDA's forces at the siege of Winchester, but took no prominent part. In 1142, Randulf made peace with STEPHEN.
In 1144, after biding his time, STEPHEN unsuccessfuly attacked Lincoln. Randulf maintained the upper hand in his struggles with STEPHEN and, by 1146, is said to have practically ruled over a third part of the realm represented by a triangle with its apex at Chester and its bases at
Coventry and Lincoln.
Becoming alarmed at STEPHEN's growing power, Randulf suddenly renewed his friendship with him. He joined vigorously in the siege of Bedford, and on its fall, assisted the king with 300 knights in pushing the siege of Wallingford. However, he never really earned THE KING's
trust and was arested and imprisoned while attending the king's court. In exchange for his release, Randulf had to surrender his castles and give hostages. His nephew, RICHARD DE CLARE, EARL OF HERTFORD (RIN 1079)
had to pledge himself and his castles for Randulf's good behavior.
Randulf almost immediately broke his pledge, successfuly attacked Lincoln and Coventry, narrowly escaping death. When the EMPRESS MATILDA's son - the future KING HENRY II (RIN 761) came to England in 1159, Randulf allied himself with him. A powerful alliance was formed
between Randulf, HENRY PLANTAGENET, and HENRY OF SCOTLAND (Randulf's old nemesis), but before it could be exploited, Randulf found STEPHEN offering to outbid any offers that HENRY would make for Randulf's support.
The result, as stated in the DNB was that "Lincoln was to be restored to him under certain eloborate conditions, and he was to receive large grants of escheated and crown lands, including the land 'between Mersy and Ribble', together with Belvoir Castle and its appendant estates.
Besides lands in Nottinghamshire, Leicesyershire, and Warwickshire, he obtained Torksey and Grimsby in Lincolnshire, his dominion thus practically extending from sea to sea, with a port on both coasts."
In 1153, when HENRY PLANTAGENET returned to England, he outbid even STEPHEN's concessions in England and also gave Randulf estates in Normandy.
Randulf died on 16 Dec 1153. It was beleived that he was poisoned by WILLIAM PEVEREL OF NOTINGHAM (RIN 997), whose lands had been granted to Randulph by KING HENRY Ranulph's wife has also been said by
some to have been involved in the plot.
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0012/G0000006.html#I865

Note: He was an illigitimate son of King HENRY I. According to "The
Dictionary of National Biography", his mother was probably an unknown French woman. This birth was before HENRY became king. On insufficient grounds some claim his mother to be Nesta, dau. of RHYS AP TEWDR, King of Dehubarth. In his "Complete Peerage", Cockayne is of the opinion that his mother was most likely SIBYL CORBET.
He fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119, where his father defeated King LOUIS VI of France (RIN 1531). In 1122 he was created Earl of Gloucester. In 1123, he led a force to assist in the capture of the castle of Brionne, which was held by rebel Norman barons. In 1126 he had custody of the imprisoned rebel, Robert, Duke of Normandy. In 1127 he did homage to the EMPRESS MATILDA, recognizng her as his father's successor to the throne.
When Stephen was chosen as king over the EMPRESS MATILDA, Robert did homage to him for his English lands. In 1137 he accompanied King Stephen to Normandy where a quarrel ensued. He then threw his support to MATILDA, who was in Normandy, and obtained the surrender of Caen and Bayeux to her husband, GEOFFREY PLANTAGENET, Count of Anjou (RIN 787).
In Sep. 1139 he he landed in England with MATILDA and took her to Arundel Castle. He became her commander-in-chief in the civil war which followed. Robert was captured by Stephen's forces, but Stephen had also been previously captured by MATILDA's. The two were returned to their respective camps in an even exchange. MATILDA sent Robert to Anjou to attempt to convince her husband, GEOFFREY, to come to her aid. GEOFFREY
declined to help until he had conquered Normandy, so Robert joined in his campaign. However, hearing that MATILDA was beseiged at Oxford, he hurried back to her assistance. He took MATILDA's and GEOFFREY's son, HENRY (the future King HENRY II) with him. In 1143 Robert defeated Stephen at Wilton and in 1144 he blockaded Malmesbury, Stephen refusing battle. MATILDA's support had gradually dwindled, so Robert was unable to continue to press her cause. In 1147 Robert sent HENRY back to Anjou. Later that year Robert died of fever at Bristol.

Note: Johan Michael and Johan George were borther from Ober Mossau, Hessen Darmstadt, Germany where their forefater Ulrich Schoenberger lived. He emigrated in 1665 from Schmidsamsteg, Switzerland, where his grandfather Johannes Schoenberger was born in 1551. Michae and George were the sons of Johan Michael and Anna Elizaberth (Harman) Schoenberger. At an early age they learned the brewing trade. They came to the United States in 1838 and found jobs in Pittsburg, Pa. Michael came to Salem Township in Wyandot County and purchased land in 1847, paying $5. per
acre.

Emigration: Date: 27 AUG 1785
Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Note: "John Peter and Anna Maria had 8 children, 17 members of this family formed an emigration party that landed at Philadelphia on August 27, 1785."

Occupation: Place: Armorer and Smith

Note: From documentation researched and forwarded to me I can add this.origin being Switzerland ... "It is believed that the early Swiss generations of our family adopted the surname Schonenberger about the year 1150." Documented line I was given begins with Henry Schonenberger, who lived by a monastery in the Schonenberger parish in the Canton of Zurich, is the first Schonenberger of record. he is described as a blue-eyed red-head with a fair complexion and a fiery temper to match his red hair. He lived between the years of 1470 and 1570." "For many generations the early Schonenberger families were of the Catholic Faith. With the coming of the Protestant Reformation in Switzerland led by Ulrich Zwingli, our Schonenberger families converted to the newly-formed Reformed Church.

The Schonenbergers were Reformed until 1661 or 1662 when the Ulrich Schonenberger family moved to OAber-Mossau, Germany, at which time they converted to the Lutheran faith.

Note: Very probably a 4th generation descendent of Rudolph Zuppinger of Zurich.

http://www.intrepid.net/~dsilvius/zuppingr.htm.

Note: Information from Richard Schoenberger
The Schoenberger Story

When Hitler and the Nazi party gained control of Germany during the 1930's, it was required of all German families to prove that they had no Jewish ancestry. At this time, George Shonberger of Grass-Bieberan, Germany got busy tracing the Schoenberger family history back to about the 1460's or 1470's to Switzerland where some church records were being kept. He found that originally the name was Schonenberger. The family had lived there for hundreds of years, until 1661 or 1662 when Ulrich Schonenberger, his wife and 7 children moved to Ober-Massou, Germany.

It is believed that early Swiss generations of the family adopted the surname Schonenberger about the year 1150. They lived and worked near the beautiful Swiss mountains. Thus they adopted the name Schonenberger - Schonberg means Beautiful Mountain and Shonberger means "People who lived by the Beautiful Mountain".

Henry Schonenberger, a Catholic, who lived by a monastery in the Schonenberger parish in the Canton of Zurich, Switzerland, is the first Schonenberger of record. He is described as a blue eyed, redhead with a fair complexion and a fiery temper to match his red hair. He lived between the years of 1470 to 1570.

For many generations, the early Schonenberger families were of the Catholic faith. With the coming of the Protestant Reformation in Switzerland led by Ulrich Zwingli, our Schonenberger families converted to the newly formed Reformed Church. The Schonenbergers were Reformed until 1661 or 1662 when the Ulrich Schonenberger family moved to Ober Massau, Germany, at which time they converted to the Lutheran faith.

Note: Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Derby, pp. 190-191). Sire de Ferriers and Chambrais. These two localities, located on the Charantonne, were in the chief iron producing district of Normandy. The iron workers were under the juristiction of six "barons fossiers". As this family apparently had the most important or most ancient forges, it was styled "premier barons fossiers". [Thus the background for the surname adopted by this family - Ferriers]. He was a Domesday commissioner and held some 210 lordships or manors at the time of that survey. More than half of them were in Derbyshire, but the caput of his honor was at Tutbury in Staffordshire.

Note: According to Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Derby, pp. 190), he was slain in the civil wars which distracted Normandy during the minority of Duke WILLIAM (RIN 798 - later King WILLIAM I "The Conquerer" of England).

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners (249:31), (360:34), calls him William I Talvas de Belleme; sire d'Alcenon.
Turton's "Plantagenet Ancestry", calls him c. de Alcenon.

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Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . . " (132A:25), her parentage is uncertain and many disagree with her being the half-sister of WILLIAM THE CONQUERER. Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Chester, p.164), identifies her as THE CONQUER's half-sister.

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (295:33) has the note: "Crispin (pp. 79-80) is no doubt incorrect in showing EMMA DE CONTEVILLE as Richard's wife. Moriarity (p.111) says the marriage is probably unfounded."

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (130:24), (148:22). Slain at the siege of
Arques.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" , (Aumale, p.351).

Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (note at end of line 244) : Unlike most
other authorities (for instance Moriarity, 113), ES III:635 inserts a generation between [HUGH II & GUY I], Enguerrand II, Count of Montreuil; d. 25 Oct 1053; m. ADELAIDE . . . making Enguerrand II, then, the father of GUY I, rather than his brother, as is usually stated.

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners (360:35). This generation added by ES, III:636, 1989 research, and not in some other sources.

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Turton's "Plantagenet Ancestry", calls her merely Maud and does not give her parents.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners (249:31), (360:34), simply calls her Matilda. No parents given.

A forgotten source gave her the identifier of "de Domfront".

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According to "Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages in America" (Vol 5, pp. 287-289), it appears that his lands were siezed by the king. Patrick went to France and became the head of the family there. His son or granson (we are not sure which - I've shown him as the son) returned to England and had the family lands restored to him.
Said to be documented in ES.

Note: Per Sanders' "English Baronies" (Oxford UP, 1960), pp.70, 124-125:
Ernulph I de Hesding (d. after 1091) was lord of Keevil in Wiltshire and Kempsford in Gloucestershire. He apparently had two sons, William and Ernulph II and two daughters, MAUD and Aveline.

Source: (Name)
Title: Source for Niel St. Saveur - daughter - Roger Bigod Line

Data:
Text: [RoyalAAF]
"Royal Ancestors of Some American Families",
Michel L. Call, 1972.

Note: "Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots" (155:22), she was the daughter of 'Count Eberhard'.
Another source (can't recall which) gives Otto I, Count of Orlamunde
(RIN 3408) as her father. Also mentioned (160:22). "
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0010/G0000094.html#I3325

Note: Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (149:21), (155:21).
The "Dictionary of Royal Lineage" says he married Ermengarde, dau. of PRINCE CHARLES of France, Duke of Lower Lorraine, but more modern sources agree that the identity of Gozelon's wife is unknown.

Note: Notes
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (141:18), (142:17), (147:18).
Neither Weis nor Stuart identifies the mother, but from the dates of marriage, it must be Gisela rather than Reginhilde.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (141:18), (142:17), calls him Dietrich, Count of Saxon-Hamelant. "Theodoric" is the English equivalent of Dietrich. Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (32:35), (65:41), (310:37), (338:37).

If Stuart is correct, then DIETRICH married first GISELA, widow of GODEFRID, and then RAGNHILDE, his stepdaughter, daughter of GISELA and GODEFRID. Stuart identifies all the children but MATILDA and possibly
LAMBERT as born to RAGNHILDE.

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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (217:38) (338:37).
It would appear that she first married GODEFRID and had RAGNHILDE, then shortly thereafter her husband died, and she remarried DIETRICH, and bore a daughter MATILDA. GISELA must have died or been repudiated before 900, because then her husband DIETRICH married RAGNHILDE, his stepdaughter.

Note: Notes
Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (145:16).
Richard Borthwick posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on14 Nov 1996 (in part)
Subject: Re: Boso again
"The family of Waldrada the concubine of king Lothar II (his wife was Teutberga) is not known, though there has been speculation. Two family groups touted as candidates are the "Etichonids" and "Welfs". There may well be others.
Lothar II's wife was the daughter of a count Boso and (from memory) was sister sister of another Boso and the famous abbot Hugobert and sister-in-law to count Bivin. A rather nasty row broke out in the Court and the Church when Lothar II tried to repudiate Teutberga (by whom he had no children) and marry Waldrada so that his children by her could be
legitimated and become his heirs in Lotharingia. Lothar II's bishops agreed with the move but the Pope didn't."

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ic posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 9 Sep 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: Wives of Charles the Simple & Louis the Stammerer
Adalard: he was not Count of Paris [for Conrad (the Welf one) is mentioned specifically as Count of Paris in 876 by the _Annals of St.Bertin_ written contemporaneously at Reims]. Instead, Werner argued, Adalard was a Burgundian noble who became Ct of the Palace in the last years of Charles the Bald (877). He had a brother Wulfgrim (Vulgrin, Bougrin) who J.Nelson (_Charles the Bald_ p232-3), identified as Vulgrin I Count of Angouleme.

Note: Berengarius, the earliest known member of this family was Count in the Lommengouw in 907. This area was situated between the Sambre and Meuse rivers in present-day Belgium. Their main stronghold became Namur (Namen). The County was always under pressure from its more powerful regional rivals Li�ge (Luik), Hainaut, Luxembourg and Brabant, and it lost the city of Dinant in 1100. Namur did expand eastward under Count Henri IV "The Blind" who became Count of Luxembourg, Stavelot-Malm�dy, Durbuy and Laroche as well. After his death a lengthy war broke out between Hainaut and Luxembourg for the County of Namur. Eventually, in 1263 the County had to be sold to Gwijde III of Dampierre, Count of Flanders.

Note: Notes
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Chester, p.165), identifies him as MARGARET's father.
Count of Montdidier and Roucy.
Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (111:25),
(149:22A), (151:22), has him as Hilduin III. (246:22) refers to him as Hildouin de Ramerau.

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (95:31), (170:31) & (266:31) call him Hilduin IV.
Notes
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Chester, p.165), identifies him as MARGARET's father. Count of Montdidier and Roucy. Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (111:25), (149:22A), (151:22), has him as Hilduin III. (246:22) refers to him as Hildouin de Ramerau.

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (95:31), (170:31) & (266:31) call him Hilduin IV.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (84:26) calls her the dau. of Richard de Camville of Stanton. I already had a Richard de Camville (though not specified as of Stanton) in my database. As the dates seem to make sense, I have shown Isabel as this Richard's dau., but verification needs to be made before this link is considered secure.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (149:20) calls her Ermengarde, but ES calls her Adelheid.
abwilson@@@@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Alan B. Wilson) posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 25 Sep 1997 (in part):
Subject: Re: ascend. d'Albert de Namur
"Moriarty, "Plantagenet Ancestry," pp. 125 & 128 shows the wife of
ALBERT I DE NAMUR to be Ermentrude (Adelaide), daughter of CHARLES, DUKE OF LOWER LORRAINE, and his wife, ADELAIDE, whose parentage is not identified.
Weis, "Ancestral Roots," 149:19-20; Winkhaus, "Ahnen zu Karl dem Grossen und Widukind,: pp. 103 & 127; and Schwennicke (ed.), "Europaische Stammtafeln," ii, 1 and vii, 68 similarly identify the wife of ALBERT I DE NAMUR.
Christian Settipani, "La prehistoire des Capetiens: 481-987," and
Winfred Glocker, "Die Verwandten der Ottonen und ihre Bedeutung in der Polotik," show an ancestry for Ermengarde, wife of ALBERT I DE NAMUR, which differs from Moriarty, et al., as well as from the two versions listed above by Pierre-Yves Roy."
[following is my synopsis]: Ermangarde's father was Otto Duke of Lower Lorraine, (970-1006). Otto was the son of Charles , thus inserting a generation beteween Ermengarde and her traditional father. Otto's mother is given as an unnamed daughter of ROBERT DE VERMANDOIS [RIN 1230] (931/934 - 966), Count of Meaux, Count of Troyes.

Note: Notes
Count of Namur & Luxembourg. Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (149:20) calls him Count of Lomme.

Note: Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (125:27), (132A:26), (132D:26), (246B:25).
Called le Meschin, de Briquessart.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Chester, p.166).

According to the "Dictionary of National Biography" Randulf came to England with WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and received the city of Carlisle, becoming lord of that district. His land holdings were greatly increased as a result of his marriage to the heiress LUCY. He supported KING HENRY I in 1106 and led the van in the Batle of Tinchebrai. He was also loyal to HENRY in the struggle of 1119. Upon the death of his mother's nephew,
Richard of Avaranches (RIN 3104) in 1119 in the tragedy of the White Ship, Randulf succeded to the Earldom of Chester. His career as Earl of Chester appears to have been uneventful, save that in 1123 he was sent over with the EARL OF GLOUCESTER (ROBERT [RIN 797]) to secure the
saftey of Normandy, then threatened by FULK V, COUNT OF ANJOU
(RIN 1039).