McCarley, Michael Shawn (b. , d. ?)

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Note: Colart inherited the house originally belonging to Colart Baron, his father and law. Colart passed it on to his daughter Cezille.

Note: Keeper and Echevin of 1474-1504

Note: Manouvrier a S�meries.

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Melchoir de Forest II, son of Melchoir de Forest I, was born 1497. He was Jure d'Avesnes in 1526 to 1527. He married Jacquelin Bronchin. He was a brother of "Maistre Jehan de Forest, pretre" and "notaire apostalique (acte du 18 Mai, 1541), Chaplain de St. Pierre de Louvain en 1562". Considered a wealthy man, he owned land and a house on the Marche (border) which he gave to his daughter, Marguerite de Forest Levacq; a house at Guersignies, sold on October 3, 1545, and at Avesnalles-St. Denis, a small field of land, as well as annuities and other property. He lived in the Sottiere, a land bordering on the Brotherhood of St. Jean.
--http://www.defreest.com/familyhistory.html

The 1485 birth date is based on information supplied by Harold Mitchel Dugas; the 1497 date is based on information supplied by Don Boudreaux of Houston, Texas.

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Note: Henry of Hallon, acquired land there from John Dod, called Lovestick's land, about 1404 married Margery, daughter of William Wermode and Joan his wife, who then surrendered to him land called Chamberlayne's and Massie's lands in Hallon, and his son was William of Hallon;
[Most of the above information was derived from "The Barkers of Aston" written by A. L. Barker, M.A. in 1932, a copy of portions of that document being received on 16 November 1996 from Edward Barker, jedgbarker@@aol.com]
--http://www.vnla.com/vnl/gen/mcq/Barker.htm#William1

Note: "John Barker, son of Sir Robert and Catherine (Ackworth) Barker, direct descendant of Randulph de Calverhall, 1200 of England, with his brother Robert, history states, were among the early adventurers that arrived in Plymouth, Mass. about 1628. Having some means they set out from the Plymouth Colony to make homes for themselves, going by boat along the coast until they came to the North River (near Cape Cod) sailing down this, they reached what is now that part of Pembroke, Mass. known as Herringbrook.
"Here they camped for the winter and the following spring ground was broken and a house built.
"John lived in that part of Plymouth which was set off in 1637 as Duxbury. He was a brickmason and agreed to teach Wm. Barden the trade of a bricklayer, at the end of his time giving him (Wm) '20 bushels of corn, 2 suites of apparel and an ewe goat's lamb.'
"In 1638 he moved to Marshfield, Mass. and bought a ferry at Jones River, where he convenanted to keep it 'at two pence a person until a bridge is built' in 1643 he was a member of the Marshfield Military Co. under Lt. Nathaniel Thomas, in 1648, he had some disagrreement with a neighbor about a boundary line. The Court requested John Alden and Myles Standish to 'set at rights such differences as are betwixt them.'
"On June 5, 1651 he was made a freeman and on 12-14-1652, was drowned at his ferry, leaving an estate of 131 pounds."
Elizabeth F. Barker, Barker Genealogy, 1927.
--http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/scituate/rr01/rr01_084.html

Note: General Notes:

There is a Matilda Erdington, b. about 1252, daughter of Sir Knight Henry Erdington, who married Sir Knight John Hamelin. He was born about 1250 to William Hamelin. Together they had Isabel Hamelin, b. abt. 1276, in Wymondham, Leicestershire, England. She married Thomas III De Berkeley bef. 1318. (F-422) Notice that with the marriage before 1318, Isabel Hamelin's birthdate could be off by as much as 30 years. Girls married at a very young age in this time period.

This would be our Matilda if the genealogist who estimated this lineage at about 25 years per generation, was short in her estimate for a generation or so and she also married a John De La Lee. It should be noted that Wymondham, Leicestershire, England is probably within 25 miles of Warwick, England where our Henry and Matilda de Erdington are from.

Of course, at this point in time it's more likely that there were two different Matilda de Erdingtons in the last half of the 13th century who were the daughter's of two different related Henry's. One married a John Lee, the other older one married a John Hamelin. In various sources, both Matildas are listed as daughters of Henry de Erdington. The Matilda supposedly born around 1252 was the daughter of Sir Henry de Erdington. (F-438-440)
--http://ancestrees.com/pedigree/2779.htm (Coate Dudick)

Note: General Notes:

It is highly likely that Henry is the same Henry who was born about 1274, the second son of Sir Henry de Erdington and Maud, 4th daughter of Sir Roger de Somery. The timing and place, Co. Warwick, ENG are correct for this to be the next connection in this line. If proved to be true the lineage goes back through noble lines. When I find this Henry with a daughter Matilda, CD-100 and F-345 will support their ancestry. It does state that he married before June 1315 Joan, d. of Sir Thomas de Wolvey of Co. Warwick. According to Hal Buckley, this 1315 date is the date that they are listed as a married couple, but their marriage took place at least 1300 or earlier from the known births of their children.

If this Henry, father of Matilda, is the son of Sir Henry, b. (est.1226-1238), then the Ancestral File Record (F-441-442) should be checked for siblings of Henry, (Jr.)

Note: James was Deputy Gov. of Newport 1678, was Corporal 1644, Ensign 1648, member of general House of Elections 1648 and Court of Commissioners 1651. 62, 63.

Note: Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (55:28), (81:29), (126:30), (210:30), (249:30), (255:31).
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Segrave, p.603) & (Somery, p.113).
(Basset) notes that Roger faught on the side of King HENRY III at the Battle of Eversham in 1265.

The Southworth pedigree chart accompanying "A Genealogy of the Southworths (Southards) by Samuel G. Webber (1905), [GC 929.2 So 8766w], avail. at the Allen Co. Lib. in Ft. Wayne, IN, erroneously gives his parents as John de Someri and Harwise Paganal [they were actually his grandparents].
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0018/G0000084.html#I919

Note: The "Barons of Dudley" is actually a misnomer. More properly, they should be called what they called themselves--"Lords of Dudley." Dean Dudley, author of History of the Dudley Family gave them the name "Barons" simply because of their ownership of Castle Dudley. While the title is somewhat correct, we need to note that the Barons did NOT called themselves that.
--http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8388/barons.html

Note: http://genpc.com/gen/gen.html has a different pedegree for Hawise PAGANEL:

Pedigree Chart for: Hawise PAGANEL
/--Robert de BEAUMONT
/--Sir Robert Earl BEAUMONT II
| \--Isabel Elizabeth de VERMANDOIS
/--Gervase Paganel DUDLEY
| | /--Ralph de MONTFORT
| \--Amice de MONTFORT
| \--Avise Emma FITZOSBERN
|--Hawise PAGANEL
| /--
| /--
| | \--
\--Felice DUDLEY
| /--
\--
\--

However, genpc's page lists no sources. Stevens' page, http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0009/G0000072.html, answers this pedigree with the following note:

Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (55:27), (81:29), he [Gervace Paynell] was the brother of HAWISE, not the father, as shown in some sources.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Huntingdon, p.643 & Leicester, p.530, note e), identifies him as Hawise's 2nd husband.

Note: Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (55:26), he was one of the rebels against
King Stephen in 1138,when he held the castle of Dudley against him. Also
mentioned (81:27).
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0012/G0000013.html#I4284

Note: According to the "Dictionary of National biography" when Hugh's father died in 1153, Hugh, still underage, succeeded to the family possessions on both sides of the channnel. These included the hereditary viscounties
of Avaranches and Bayeux. Hugh was present at the council of Clerendon in 1164 which drew up the asssizes of Clerendon.
Hugh joined in the great feudal revolt against KING HENRY II (RIN 761). in 1173. He was influential in inciting Brittany to revolt. KING HENRY captured Hugh after a long siege. Hugh was shuffled from prison to prison until the general peace commencing with the peace of Falaise in
1174, to which Hugh was a witness. His lands were not fully restored until 1177. HENRY required Hugh to participate in the Irish campaigns, but Hugh took no prominent part and received no Irish estates.
Hugh's son, Randulf III, succeeded to Hugh's estates and to the Earldom of Chester upon Hugh's death in 1181, but Randulf died without an heir, so Hugh's four daughters became co-heiresses.
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0009/G0000006.html#I862

Note: Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Appendix D to v.VII, pp. 715-716). Count of Evreux and Seigneur of Montfort; heir to his brother, Amaury, who d.s.p. in 1140.
Being a vassal both of LOUIS VII, KING OF FRANCE (RIN 1530) and HENRY II, KING OF ENGLAND (RIN 761) (as Duke of Normandy), Simon's position was embarrasing when his two suzerains were at war in 1159. He adhered to England, and handed his castles of Rochefort, Montfort, and Epernon to HENRY II, which forced KING LOUIS to make a truce by cutting his communications between Paris, Orleans, and Entampes, In 1173 Simon joined the revolt of the "young king" [HENRY II's eldest son, Henry], but was captured when [BALDWIN VIII (RIN 3165)] COUNT OF FLANDERS took the castle of Aumale. In 1177 he attested the Treaty of Ivry and was with HENRY II at Verneuil.
--http://www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0024/G0000074.html#I870

Note: Notes
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (125:28) identifies her as BERTRADE's mother.
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Appendix D to v.VII, p.715), says her parentage is unknown.

Schwennicke ES (iii, 642).

Note: Notes
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:25).
Schwennicke ES (iii, 642), calls him Amaury III.

Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Appendix D to v.VII, p.712). In 1098 he aided King William II (RIN 6983*) against his brother, Simon's castles at Montfort and Epernon. He succeeded his half brother also named Amaury, then two of his brothers of the whole blood, Richard and the already mentioned Simon, who all predeceased him. On the death, s.p., in 1118 of his maternal uncle, William, Count of Evreux, Amaury claimed that compte, and when KING HENRY I (RIN 789) denied him the inheritance, led a widespread revolt and obtained possession of Evreux. In the following year HENRY besieged Evreux, but his nephew, THEOBALD, COUNT OF CHAMPAIGNE (RIN 1640), reconciled him and Amaury, who surrendered the castle to KING HENRY, and thereupon received his uncle's compte. In 1123 Amaury joined the revolt of Waleran, Count of Meulan, subsequently husband of his dau., Agnes, against KING HENRY. Next year Amaury faught
at Bourgtheroulde and was captured while fleeing from the field. Before the end of the year, Amaury had made peace with KING HENRY and seems to have maintained friendly relations with him for the rest of his reign.

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Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:25), identifies her as dau. of ANSEAU.

Schwennicke ES (xiii, 113).

Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Appendix D to v.VII, pp. 713-714), calls her the niece of Stephen de Garlande and of uncertain parentage. She brought Rochefort and Gournay-sur-Marne to her husband. She was
probably the mother of AMAURY's eldest son Amaury (who d.s.p.), and certainly of his 2nd son, SIMON, and of his dau., Agnes.



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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (5:31): called "the Red," Sire deMontlhery, Count of Rochefort-en-Yvelines, Lord of Chateaufort, Senechal of France, Seigneur of Fornay and Gomez. Turton's "Plantagenet Ancestry" gives his second wife and her issue.

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Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (106:22b), (144A:22), (151:21). Count of
Rheims and Roucy. Archbishop of Rheims.

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Per Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (266:34), Count of Arcis-sur-Aube.

Note: Stephens has Liedgarde of Troyes as Herbert's wife, with a question mark. I follow Weis.

Stephens' notes on 'Liedgarde?'
Notes
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:17), (53:18), (118:17) identifies her as Beatrice (Bertha) of Morvois, dau of Guerri I, Count of Morvois and Eve of Rousillion.
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" mentions this theory, based solely on the chronicle of the abbey of Waulsort (12th cent.), and rejects it, saying that the identity of Herbert's wife is unknown, but he puts forth the hypothesis that she was a daughter of Adelramn, Count of Troyes, and suggests that her name was Liedgarde.

Note: Notes
His ancestry is a matter of hot dispute. The only nearly contemporary source on the matter is Richer, who stated in the 10th century that Robert's father was "Witichin".
The genealogy from the "Dictionary of Royal Lineage" has Robert's father Theotbert, Count of Autun (RIN 3461).
Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . .", which reflects a more recent opinion has his pedigree as I've shown it here. (48:17), (181:6), calls him Rutpert IV,
Count in Wormgau; of Anjou, Blois, Tours, Auxerre, and Nevers; killed 15 Sep 866.
Richard Borthwick posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 23 Oct 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: Ancestors of the Capetiens
The matter was one of great debate but quite some time ago. The crucial study was done by K Glockner "Lorsch und Lothringen" in *Zeitschrift fur die Geschichte des Oberrheins*, 89, 1936/37, 301-54. The identification of Rutpert IV count in the Oberrheingau with Robert count of Paris is now considered most likely. Robert like many other
Lotharingian nobles entered the service of Charles the Bald in 852 following territorial squabbles between Charles and his brothers. You may find an article by K F Werner helpful: "Noble Families in Charlemagne's Kingdom" in a collection of papers entitled *The Medieval Nobility* edited and translated by Timothy Reuter (1979), 172 f.
Fransisco Antonio Doria posted to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 12 Jul 1998 (in part):
Subject: Re: Who did Herbert I de Vermandois Marry?
Recently (1989) Luiz de Mello Vaz de Sampayo suggested in a well-argued paper that Richer's "Witichinus" hypothesis (Witichinus as father of Robert le Fort) may stand on solid ground. He takes Witichinus as Wittchen -
Little Witus, or better as Witus (Guido) the Young. He still plugs the whole family into Gloeckner's Robertini but from a side branch. Some reasonable onomastics support his claim. (Raizes & Trofeus, no. 2.)

Note: Notes
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:18). Born posthumously 866, Count of Poitiers, Count of Paris, Marquis of Neustria, King of West Franks (France); m.(1) Aelis; m.(2) BEATRIX, as I have shown here. Also mentioned (50:18), (53:18), (101:18), (136:18).
Nat Taylor posted the following to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroups on 4 Nov 1995 : "It would seem that it was Robert's first wife, Adele, not Beatrix, who was Hildebrante's mother. This was a double marriage alliance concluded between King Robert and Herbert II of Vermandois; Robert was married to Beatrice "in or by the late 890's" (Andrew W. Lewis, _Royal Succession in Capetian France (Harvard, 1981), p. 11); Herbert II had married Robert's daughter by 907 (ibid.). This double alliance strengthened the relationship of the two houses; the Vermandois counts had previously supported the Carolingians (Charles the Simple) against king Odo; but in 922 Vermandois supported Robert's succesful bid for the throne. See also Jean Dunbabbin, _France in the Making, 843-1180 (Oxford, 1985), p. 95.
Robert's first wife was as much a daughter of Louis the Pious as I am.
She would have had to be at least 26 years Robert's senior, and to have borne children while over 50. Stuart's sources as mentioned do not inspire confidence, but this is hardly a surprise (sorry, Moriarty)."