FitzEustace, Richard (b. , d. 1163)
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Constable of Chester and Baron of Halton.
W E Wightman, "The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194", genealogical chart following p 260. (pp. 175, 177-178): "By his second marriage Eustace had a son Robert.
He in his turn married AUBREY DE LISOURS, daughter of AUBREY the sister of Ilbert II de Lacy, through whom the Pontefract honour descended in 1194 to ROGER DE LACY, grandson of Robert fitz Eustace." however . . .
Cristopher Nash posted to
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Subject: FitzRichard/Lacy/Vere/Essex/Clavering/Bigod (in part):
"This is all thrown into a further whirl by W. E. Wightman, _The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194_ (1966), who, p178 & ped chart ('Fam of Lacy of Pontefact, 1066-1194') - while he accepts CP & Hodgson - clearly has the endorsement in general of Clay, Le Patourel as well as other more recent writers (see Pref). He says w/o hesitation (nor evident looking back - no refs here to Round) that the fa of JOHN, CONSTABLE OF CHESTER (d.1190) . . . is not Richard FitzEustace, whose
name he mentions nowhere in the book, but 'ROBERT' FitzEustace by AUBREY DE LISOURS . . . And that this Robert FitzEustace is s. of EUSTACE FITZJOHN, bro of Payn Fitzjohn (both sons of John 'Monoculous').
This is so radically diff a genealogy from those given by Clay, BED, Round & Hodgson (even tho this latter is one of the 2 refs Wightman gives!) that I feel it must be a slip - which he has inherited from CP VII ('Lincoln'), 677 (his other reference), where a chart appears which he has clearly simply copied line-for-line, & which does call this husb of AUBREYE DE LISOURS (etc) "Robert" instead of Richard."
Nash goes on to state that "CP notes that the belief 'That Richard
FitzEustace was the father of ROGER FITZRICHARD, LORD OF WARKWORTH [RIN 4485], 2nd husband of ALICE DE VERE, was proved to be a fallacy by Round in Essex Arch Soc, Trans, N.S. III, p 248".
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When her cousin, Robert de Lacy, Lord of Pontefract (RIN 2816*) died on 21 Jun 1193 without any heir, all his Lacy estates went to her. Her children by Robert de Lisours, including John, took the de Lacy name. W E Wightman, "The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194", genealogical chart following p 260.
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W E Wightman, "The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194", genealogical chart following p 260.
(pp. 175, 177-178): "Eustace fitz John, Payn's eldest brother, married Beatrice, the Vesci heiress, and thus inherited through her the honours of Alnwick and Malton. Their son assumed the surname Vesci, it being this William whose sister probably married Henry I de Lacy of Pontefract. By his second marriage Eustace had a son Robert. He in his turn married Aubrey de Lisours, daughter of Aubrey the sister of Ilbert II de Lacy, through whom the Pontefract honour descended in 1194 to Roger de Lacy, grandson of Robert fitz Eustace."
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W E Wightman, "The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194", genealogical chart following p 260. (pp. 175, 177-178): ". . . all that can be said of his father John
'Monoculus' is that he was not an important member of the baronage. A measure of his respectability -- or rather acceptability in the eyes of the rest of his contemporaries -- is to be found in the marrige of his sons, Payn, a younger son, married the Lacy heiress. Eustace fitz John, Payn's eldest brother, married Beatrice, the Vesci heiress, and thus
inherited through her the honours of Alnwick and Malton. . . .the sons of John 'Monoculus' were of sufficient standing to be acceptable husbands for the daughters of major barons."
Burke's _Ext. & Dorm. Peerages_ ('BED') under ('Clavering') 121, identifies this John 'Monoculus' de Burgh as nephew & h. of Serlo de Burgh, & grandson of Eustace de Burgh. I do not regard this source very highly, however for so early a pedigree.
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Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Chester, p.165, note b), lists him as one of the 8 heriditary barons subject to Hugh of Avranches, Earl of Chester (RIN 3101*)
Baron of Halton & Constable of Chester per page 14 of "The Roll of the House of Lacy".
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Chester, p.164).
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The earliest recorded Constable of Chester.
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W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*, genealogical chart following p 260.
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Note: Email from "woodlands@@fsbdial.co.uk" regarding the line from Sutton Isaac I to Sarah Isaac.
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As far as the progenitor of the family in PA, we know that in 1737 Wilhelm Kraft Rabenalt and Magdalena Bauer Rabenalt (she was the daughter of a baker from Lichtenberg) settled in PA. They had been married may 30, 1730. They arrived on August 30, 1737 on the ship SAMUEL, from Rotterdam, last from Cowes. The ship landed in Philadelphia with some 318 immigrants from the Palatinate. Wilhelm was 35 and apparently had some education as his signature is in his own handwriting. He arrived from the province of Lichtenberg. He was born December 15, 1696 in Ichstedt (east Germany) and died about 1749 at age 47. Wilhelm was the youngest son of Hans Nicholas Rabenalt, a tailor, and Maria Sophia Schuder. At least two sons came with he and his wife � Johannes Peter and Johannes Frederick. There had been another son, Johann Nicholas (b. March 29, 1731; d. Feb. 15, 1732). From the PA Archives, we learn Wilhelm took out a warrant in Long Swamp Township, Philadelphia County for 100 acres. It was surveyed September 6, 1738, but the patent was not granted. The next record we have for Wilhelm is of his daughter, Anna Margaretha, who was baptized February 19, 1744 at Jordon Lutheran Church in So. Whitehall. She was born 2/10/1744. Considering that was 7 years after their arrival, there may have been a couple of children before her. Her sponsors were: George Ernst & Adam Tescheler and Apolonia Zimmer & Juliana Margaret Diehl. In 1749, the widow, Magdalena, took out a warrant for a 50 acres of land in Lowhill, Northampton County. It was patented on November 17, 1753 by Nicholas Fisher, who on October 9, 1750 has (as a widower) married Maria Magdalena Rabenold on the same day her daughter, Maria Catherine married George Jacob Fisher, the son of Nicholas. That same year, 1750, saw Nicholas Fisher and Magdalena Rabenold as sponsors to a Rieffel child. In 1754, they were sponsors to another Rieffel child.
There may have been other sons than Peter and Frederick. There's a John and Andre in the Rev. War who were contemporaries of Peter, but no information available.
Source: Patricia Shirok; message to Genealogy.com GenForum dated July 14, 1998
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